Iron Men

Men’s Camp

February 2nd, 2008
March 14, 2008toMarch 16, 2008

We are excited to bring you another fun filled, action packed, and getting connected weekend. Mark your calendars for March 14th to the 16th of this year. The theme is “Trust” and our focus verse is:

Ecclesiastes 4:12
“Though one may be overpowered, two can defend themselves. A cord of three strands is not quickly broken.”

Cost will be announced soon. If you would like to reserve a spot see us at the men’s table or email us to reserve your spot. I can be reached at timwerle@gmail.com.

Help setting up Christmas Musical

November 28th, 2007
December 1, 2007
8:00 amto1:00 pm

Men, this Saturday we are setting up for the Christmas Musical and we need help… Please be at Sowers at 8:00 am. We should be done by 1 pm. With more people maybe even sooner.

If you have questions either call Larry at 714 655-6171 or email him: larry@seasidehb.org

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November 28th, 2007

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Men’s Night

June 11th, 2007
June 14, 2007
7:00 pmto9:00 pm

The men of Josh Klinge’s Wednesday Night fellowship and the Tuesday night fellowship at my house will be having a joint-team-beach-fellowship on Thursday night the 14th of June at the end of Huntington street, on the beach at the fire-rings, directly across the street from the Hilton Hotel! We will have the 4 F’s……Fun….Fellowship…Food….Freedom to be men! Activities will be brought to you by the Fabulous Vic Singleton! All men are welcome , so tell a friend and show-up!

February 28th, 2007

Hi Iron-men,

Here are the final two questions That were posed to me awhile back. These are out of my area of expertise so I ’sub-contracted’ them out to another brother in our fellowship who has done more extensive research on this topic. Special thanks to Greg Angelovic for sharing his thoughts with all of us. Hope you find this forum interesting and insightful. Further questions, comments and discussion are encouraged.

Questions
  1. When were Dinosaurs on earth in relation to Adam and Eve, Cane and Able?
  2. Who were the cave men that they have found the remains of? What era of the Bible?

Greg’s Reply:  Those are some very good questions and good Christians will probably have differing opinions on both answers. My first question would be what is meant by “cave men”. Are they talking about men living in caves or the supposed “missing link” between man and ape? If they are talking about the “Peking Man” fossils found in the caves in China then that is a very interesting story and has many more questions than answers. I would love to discuss this in more detail if this is in fact what the question was getting at.

As far as the dinosaurs and when they were around? The fossil evidence is pretty clear that there were some very big lizard type animals on earth a long time ago. There is also nothing in the Bible (as far as I know) that would discount this. There is even a passage referring to the “Behemoth” that could, possibly, support this type of large animal. Did they live along side man? I don’t know and quite honestly I don’t really care. What is more important to me is how did they all die off so quickly? And why have many plant eating dinosaur fossils been found in what is now a current desert where there is absolutely no vegetation? Why have they found alligator type lizards near the north Pole? All explanations I’ve heard have not been very convincing to me except for one…..the flood. This is a great topic for future discussion as well.

I think many people (Christians included) get hung up on the dating and time-line issues. One thing to keep in mind in terms of dating of fossils is that it is a very inexact science. For example, when you hear something was dated 1 million years ago by carbon dating methods what does that really mean? They don’t put a piece of material in a machine and it spits out a date. What it does is give a ratio of different radioactive isotopes (e.g., C12 to C14). Once you get this “ratio” there is still no definitive definition of what exactly that ratio means in terms of exact years. It is all assumptions. This in-exact science was uncovered in a very embarrassing way when Mt St. Helens erupted in the 1980s. This instant fossilization process threw a huge wrench into the dating method. They were dating 10-20 year old rock created by this massive volcano as over a million years old with the exact same method that has been used for dating fossils all over the world. My point is, please don’t get hung up on the dating of old fossils and rocks. Another thing to think about is just because there are not detailed tales in the Bible about dinosaurs living next to man or at the same time, does not mean it did not take place. And if dinosaurs had died off before the men of the Bible I don’t think I would have a problem with this either. That is a very long answer and all I have done was hedge my bets. Either way it does not change anything with regards to our relationship with Jesus Christ. And it should certainly not weaken our faith in the truth of the Bible. Hope it is a little helpful.

Greg

“Walking on Water” by Randy Stuart

February 13th, 2007

Greetings Seaside Iron men,

I have invited a few brothers to add their perspective on our web site (please feel free to submit a brief devotional for us to profmjg@hotmail.com.

Relax and enjoy this one by our brother Randy Stuart.   Shalom

   Iron michael g

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Hopefully this is a good reminder and a blessing to us all.  I love the story of Jesus walking on water.  Take a look at this passage:

 
Matthew 14:22-33 (NASB):

   22Immediately He made the disciples get into the boat and go ahead of Him to the other side, while He sent the crowds away. 23After He had sent the crowds away, He went up on the mountain by Himself to pray; and when it was evening, He was there alone. 24But the boat was already a long distance from the land, battered by the waves; for the wind was contrary. 25And in the fourth watch of the night He came to them, walking on the sea. 26When the disciples saw Him walking on the sea, they were terrified, and said, “It is a ghost!” And they cried out in fear. 27But immediately Jesus spoke to them, saying, “Take courage, it is I; do not be afraid.” 28Peter said to Him, “Lord, if it is You, command me to come to You on the water.” 29And He said, “Come!” And Peter got out of the boat, and walked on the water and came toward Jesus. 30But seeing the wind, he became frightened, and beginning to sink, he cried out, “Lord, save me!” 31Immediately Jesus stretched out His hand and took hold of him, and said to him, “You of little faith, why did you doubt?” 32When they got into the boat, the wind stopped. 33And those who were in the boat worshiped Him, saying, “You are certainly God’s Son!”  NASB

Many great sermons have been preached on this passage, but I will share what God has taught me most regarding this passage.  We’re going to focus on verses 28-33.  The disciples are first scared and then amazed when they realize it is Jesus walking on water.  If you’ve ever tried to walk on water, you’ll understand their amazement.  Peter took it a step further.  He told Jesus if it was really Him, then allow me to walk on the water also.  Basically, Peter says, “that’s pretty cool Jesus, but if you really want to show us a miracle, show me how to do it.”  Wow!  Peter was quite confident.  I wonder if Peter really knew what he was getting himself into.  Look at verse 29.  Jesus told him to come on out and join Him.  Peter got out and started walking on the water.  Not only is Jesus out there walking around on water, but now Peter joins Him.  That is incredible.  Now look at verse 30.  Here’s where I always fail.  Peter’s focus was on Jesus when he got out of the boat and walked toward Him.  The wind came up, and Peter noticed the wind and took his focus off Jesus.  He became frightened and began to sink.  At this point, he cries for help from Jesus, and Jesus does just that.  Verse 31 shows us a Savior reaching out His hand to save Peter.

Through the many struggles in my life, this is where I usually fail.  I tend to trust in my strength more than God’s, and, of course, that is a big mistake.  The “winds” come up in our lives, and we lose focus on our true strength:  Jesus Christ.  So much in society teaches us to be strong and trust in ourselves.  We need to spend more time learning to look to God for our direction.  If we can stay focused on Jesus and trust in His strength (not ours) through the good times and the bad times, He will bless us tremendously.  As soon as the first problems come up during Peter’s walk on the water, he became frightened, and he lost focus and trust in Jesus.  Don’t be too “manly” to remember the true source of our strength.  Jesus is always there for us with a waiting hand when we begin to falter.  Wake up every day, shed your flesh, cover yourself with His love and strength, know that we are His servants, and stay focused on the cross.

Randy

Mark 14.51-52: Whose the streaker?

February 9th, 2007

Thanks again Josh for the biblical question. He wrote, What is your thought about the young boy mentioned in Mark 14:50-52? Why wasn’t he mentioned in any of the other gospels? What significance did he have or what did he represent?

Many of you may remember decades ago the excitement over the new band of freedom riders called ’streakers’.  In the mi-70s, free-spirited individuals (male and female) dared to strip bare and run through a public venue.  Did you participate in this? ;-)    Their behavior caught on and spread like wild fire; i vaguely remember a funny song being written about it as well.  Well, you might find it disturbing, but there is a streaker in the Bible as well, see Mark 14:51-52.  This account in Mark is not quite the same as the modern version, since it appears that his garment was taken from him as he fled. This brief story, imbedded in the passion narrative (the final week of Jesus’ earthly life), is only found in Mark’s gospel.  One explanation for why it is only found in this gospel is because the young man is may be Mark.  Though we are not sure, he was a younger disciple living in Jerusalem at this time.  His name surfaces in the book of Act when Paul and Barnabus travel on missionary tours, but in his gospel he chose to remain anonymous (cf. John, ‘the disciple whom Jesus loved’).  If it was Mark, who better than he to know this story and to be motivated to creatively drop it into the story.  The fact that this episode is not mentioned elsewhere is not surprising to me.  It is not vital to the narrative of Jesus’ arrest and trial, nor would it have been public knowledge and spread by anyone that it happened.  Remember Mark was not a streaker expressing his freedom, he was just trying to get free.  Also, public nudity was shamefully frowned upon in the Jewish culture, so why retell such a story.  Our Jr high program would love it but i don’t think Mark was proud of it.One final thought to consider.  The presence of such a story should have some purpose in the narrative, but how?  Ponder the symbolic meaning of Mark’s embarrassing delimma; his open nakedness may represent the other disciples who are ironically being “exposed” as unfaithful disciples who have deserted Jesus in his time of need.

Comments and further questions / discussion is welcomed,

Iron michael g

Question re: The Messianic Secret?

February 7th, 2007

Thanks Josh for the questions:

  1. Why do you think Jesus silenced the demons he cast out in Mark 1:34 and Mark 3:12, but in Mark 1:23-24 he allowed them to identify him as Jesus?
  2. Why was it that sometimes Jesus told people that he healed not to tell anyone, but other times he allowed them to tell people?

Both of these questions are related.  The theme of Jesus’ identity is developed in the Synoptic Gospels (Mt, Mk and Lk).  John’s Gospel is different in that Jesus’ identity is clearly understood from the very beginning (1.1, “The Word who was with God and was God;” 1:41, “we have found the messiah.”).  Here is a general break down of how the Synoptic Gospels record Jesus’ ministry in relation to his identity.

Jesus began openly revealing his deity. In Mark 1 and 2, he cast out a demon and heals a paralyzed man.  The latter account states that Jesus also forgives his sins, and uses the miracle to show he has authority to forgive sins. The religious leaders know only God can do this, so the inference is clear.  Jesus is divine.  But, soon his success with demons is attributed to Satan, leaving all doubters on the verge of the unforgivable sin, Mark 3:22-30. Jesus’ response is to “go undercover” and teach via parables, instead of openly, Mk 4:10-12. Matthew makes even more clear the judgment aspect; 13:10-17.  The hardened / skeptical hearts leaves many outside the kingdom of God.

The religious leaders (mostly Pharisees) contend with Jesus throughout his ministry, and yet he invites them to celebrate with him the salvation of those (”sinners”) who were unable to keep the law. See Luke 15:1-2 where Jesus sets the stage. When he depicts the return of the prodigal son, (Lk. 15:11-32), the father invites the older son (the Pharisees) to join the party. But they refuse. Most people focus on the prodigal, but the real focus is upon the Pharisees and how much Jesus loves them! If only they will be as generous as God. Note his response to them/the older brother in v. 31: “son” - acknowledgement of relationship; ”You have always been with me” - acknowledgement of their faithfulness because they served God via the Torah; the light they had; and “All that is mine is yours” - the reward! Incredible!   The parable ends with the father still out in the field, waiting for the son’s response, as Jesus is waiting in his ministry.

When all the pleading, promising and logic fails, Jesus finally says “enough”. His indictment of them is found in the seven woes of Matt 23.  After that, silence! He’s through trying. He’ll speak of the future with his disciples on the Mount of Olives, and then go to the cross.

In answer to your questions:  1] Jesus doesn’t allow the demons to speak because Jesus is not interested in their witness, as accurate as it was.  While it may be truth it preached, the source of the truth would creat more damage than good.  God chooses not to employ demons to advance his kingdom.  Perhaps, Mark records the demon “preaching” to give the reader a window into the spirit-world, that the demons know Jesus is the Son of God

2] Jesus miraculous signs point toward the arrival of the kingdom of God on earth.  His ministry was not soley to heal people or demonstrate his power over nature, demons, etc…, it was to go to the cross.  Apparently, the excitement of the crowds over Jesus’ power and authority were caused  enough problems that he was unable to go about his work.  Many times, as a response to his teaching or miracles, Jesus had to remove himself , so the religious leaders wouldn’t kill him or the crowds wouldn’t crown him king.  The messianic secret, i believe,  was Jesus’ choice to aloow himself the space and time to do what he needed to do.  I don’t know of any specific account in the Gospels when Jesus told someone to publicly announce his healing for the purpose of gaining a greater following.

Hope this is helpful and thought provoking.  Comments and further questions are welcomed.

Iron Michael G


 

Men’s Breakfast

February 1st, 2007
February 10, 2007 8:00 amtoFebruary 17, 2007 10:00 am

Our next breakfast will be on Feb. 17th 2007 more information will follow…

Men’s 12 Step Study

February 1st, 2007

Seaside will be starting its first Celebrate Recovery 12 Step Study for men on 02/28/06 at the Newland Barn. Only Sinners need apply. This group is for Adult Children of Dysfunctional Families, Anger Issues, Chemical Addiction, Alcoholism, Co-Dependency, Sexual Addictions, Lust, Sexual/Emotional/Physical Abuse, Food Addiction, Love and Relationship Addiction, Financial Recovery and any other Hurt, Habit or Hang-Up.

Men’s 12 Step Study
Leaders: Josh Klinge, Bill Hoggard
Start: 02/28/2007 and every Wednesday night thereafter from 7-9 pm
Where: Newland Barn 19822 Beach Blvd in Huntington Beach (Behind Mother’s Market).
Contact Information: Josh Klinge (714) 309-5990
Email: jklinge@socal.rr.com

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